
The Spooky story began way back in 1993, when Duncan Forbes teamed up with Charlie May and unleashed their ‘Gargantuan‘ debut album on an unsuspecting world. Fast forward 15 years and they are far from the fresh-faced unknowns they once were, as they currently sit alongside the legendary Sasha in a studio in New York City to help create and remix the next edition of his infamous Involver project.
With the Spooky guys hard at work in the studio, Gavin Leversuch managed to drag Duncan to one side and get his thoughts on the past, present and future, as well as getting the low-down on Involver.
Having started your production careers in the early 90s, you have seen nearly 2 decades in the music industry. Which millennium was most exciting for you as producers, the 90s or the 00s?
“It’s hard to believe that it’s been that long already. In the early 90’s everything was very new, we were making records for the first time and were just so excited to be doing just that. When we started putting music out on Guerilla there was such as buzz around us all. We had Lisa [Horan] who managed Leftfield working out of the same office, and there was Dean and Lisa loud running Loud n Clear doing club promotion on most of the best music around. We also had Maz [Sparks] doing the PR; everyone was doing what they loved most and everything really was about the music. We were getting to remix some great music and everything felt very fresh.
At the beginning the scene was a bit like our little secret. We were making this music and there was this underground network of those in the know. As the 90’s progressed it morphed into this huge industry and everyone wanted a piece of the pie, clubbing got more and more corporate and the clubs that we knew and loved started to be swallowed by the big business that was responsible for the Mecca style clubs; the places we played were started as a reaction to these clubs.
The industry in the noughties has changed so much from when we started doing it, it has in some way gone full circle with the scene becoming more underground again. However, this time there is a large global network and it’s become really exciting for us again as we get to play all over the world. Live gigs have always been a major part of our thing and it’s been great over the last 2 years or so getting out and about and playing sets in some amazing places. Making music has become much more portable so we can pretty much get ideas down anywhere, enabling us to work abroad, which is always inspiring. In many ways, now is as exciting for us as it was back in 92, and I hope we can say that in another 10 years.”
Tell us about the Involver2 project you are working on with Sasha. What exactly is your role with the album?
“With the Involver 2 project we are basically working as part of a team on the remixes; there are 5 of us in the studio. Sasha, Charlie, Barry, Leo and me. Charlie and I really create the tracks, play a lot of the parts and put together the arrangement. With the current record this was the way 90 percent of the tracks came out.
The way things normally work is firstly deciding what parts of the original we are going to use as the core of our remix. Next we decide on a tempo and start to work on the groove and rhythm and then build up the rest of track from there. It’s not really a formula that works every time but it happened a lot on this record.
With Involver it’s not just as easy as remixing the tracks as we need to make sure that they are in the right key and are at roughly the correct tempo to fit into a certain place on the album. This is normally pre-determined by Sasha vibing with the tunes and finding stuff that works well together. He has an amazing ear for this and will hear a vocal or riff in one tune and say ‘oh that will work with such and such a tune’ and he’ll put them together and create some real magic.
Once we have done the basic vibe the tracks will go to the main room where Sasha and Barry will do some work on them and we will move on to something else. Leo will be working on something else which he will pass on to us to do something on for a bit. The tracks get bounced backwards and forwards with each person doing their little bit. We have 4 computer set-ups in 3 rooms in the studio. It’s great working this way as you can get a level of detail within the productions that you otherwise would not get. It’s also great if someone has got stuck on a particular bit or has become a little stale with a particular tune as you can just give it to someone else in the team to breath fresh life into it. It’s a great way to work and keeps everything flowing.”
Do you have plans to get started on another studio album any time soon? Or are you looking at other projects like touring, singles or just resting in the immediate future?
“Right now it’s time for a rest. We have been in the studio in New York solidly for 3 months and only took a couple of days off in the last 2 months. We do have a few gigs in the Spring though, and will be touring Europe throughout the summer.
This summer is going to be designated for Spooky. We spent the last year writing all the Emfire tracks and doing Involver 2 so it’s time to get a whole bunch of new Spooky stuff together. We’re both really excited about doing this and we have quite a few ideas already on their way.
I don’t know if we will sit down and do another album straight off, I imagine we will just do a load of tracks and maybe compile them later in the year, or at the beginning of next year. It’s nice just to write without thinking what you are doing it for, we’ve been so involved, no pun intended, with Involver 2 it’s just going to be great to do 1 track at a time and put it out.
We will release a single called Candy during the summer but we are just waiting for James (Zabiela) to finish his remix. We gave him the parts before Christmas, he likes to take his time!”
What has been your favorite release in all this time and why?
“That’s a hard one. ‘Gargantuan’ kicked it all off for us and we wouldn’t still be doing it were it not for that album. So it obviously has a special place for me in my heart. Things were very different and we were so excited just to be making music.
I’m also very fond of ‘Found Sound’ as it still sounds fresh when I listen to it now. It’s something we are both very proud of. At the time it raised a lot of eyebrows from those who wanted us to make ‘Gargantuan’ part 2. In fact, we seemed to change a large part of our audience over night, but for us it was just a natural progression based on everything we were listening to at the time. We were really enjoying ourselves and got to make lots of films to go with the music. The 30 minute film of ‘Found Sound’ we made with Grant Gee is probably one of the things I am most proud of. We were lucky at the time that we had a record company who were prepared to foot the bill.
‘Open’ was the first time we had actually written full blown songs with lyrics. This was a big task for us and it wasn’t as easy as just making records with the two of us. The whole process became a lot slower and as we were funding it ourselves took a while to complete. A year on I’m still very happy with the result. Through that record we definitely reached a much wider audience, Julie and Celestine both put a lot of soul into their performances and it is evident that this has really touched a lot of people around the world.
I’m very glad we put together the second disc with all the dub and ambient mixes even if it did nearly kill us going back to the tracks again and again and again. Remixing has always been a large part of our lives so it was nice to be able to do those mixes without having to even think about the dance-floor.”
What would you say is the most difficult aspect of music production?
“I think keeping perspective on your original idea. This comes through experience but it’s always hard to not get bored of the musical parts on constant repetition while you are working on them.
It’s very easy to lose sight of what it was and what it felt like when you had that original idea. The first ideas that come are normally the best ones and it can be a battle to keep them feeling fresh.
When were just starting out tracks would morph from one thing into another and then another and then you get this kind of track soup that’s not one thing or another. Nowadays we are a little more brutal with things and if something is sticking we bin it or come back to it much later. For this reason I like to work fast and try and get the bulk of the tune and arrangement done within a day.”
Do you have any shameless self-promotion you would like to do while you are here?
www.spooky.uk.com Keep in touch and look out for ‘Candy’. It will come out at some point in June through our own label spooky.uk.com. All our catalogue is available as downloads from all usual places.
(Interview: Gavin Leversuch)
Spooky’s Current Top 5:
1. Basic Channel – Phylyps track – Basic Channel
2. The Black Dog - Radio Scarecrow – Soma
3. Beanfield - Tides (Ripperton Mix) – Compakt
4. Emmanuel – a Step From You – Be As One
5. Beroshima – Horizon (Funk Da Void Mix) - Soma